Episode 36: The GaaS Leak Episode

Jared and Shawn tackle the real questions. Are Disney and Sony too big to fail? Is Mario Kart Tour fun? Are games as a service too big? Is a goose the ultimate video game character?

Episode 36: The GaaS Leak Episode
Sines, Co-Sines, & Tangents

 
 
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Jared and Shawn tackle the real questions. Are Disney and Sony too big to fail? Is Mario Kart Tour fun? Are games as a service too big? Is a goose the ultimate video game character?

Housekeeping:

  • We are on Spotify, Google Play, and Apple Podcasts

Tangents:

  • Borderlands 3
  • River City Girls
    • Wayforward – Double Dragon Neon
  • Marvel Phase 4 – meh (not meh)
    • Spider-Man is back, but is he?
  • Triple Force Friday 
  • Link’s Awakening 
  • Untitled Goose Game
  • Mario Kart Tour (Gacha)
  • Code Vein – Vampire Souls
  • Sega Genesis Mini
    • M2 Emulation
    • TETRIS
    • Mega Man The Wily Wars

Main Topic: Games as a Service

  • Are games too big?
  • What turns Jared off of GaaS
    • Too much time investment
    • Lack of a beginning to end experience
    • A big part of the conversation around games as a service is rewards.
    • Content quality vs quantity
    • Pick up and playability (2-3 Hour Sessions are not pick up and play)
      • Obviously I spent a lot of time revisiting No Man’s Sky
    • Loot turns me off. I want something to feel unique. At least in tabletop RPGs that I’ve experienced you get to spend some time with items so they have more meaning and value. Looking for something new all the time just to progress isn’t that fun. Diablo expedites this process, but games like Borderlands & Destiny do not. – Games as Gamer Slot Machines
    • What about when they release a new version of the same world? Then encourage players to abandon the old one?
  • Games as a service in the pantheon of gaming history
    • How will these games be preserved/remembered in the future? 
    • Other online games that have died over the years with big followings?
      • Star Wars Galaxies
      • City of Heroes
      • World of Warcraft 
      • Destiny
      • The Division
      • Star Wars Battlefront 
      • Anthem? Fallout 76?

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • You can leave us a voicemail at (267) TAN-GENT or (267) 826-4368 and we might feature you in our next episode!
  • Or join our Discord Server!

Listener JT left us a question. What’s your answer?

Missed Opportunities

  • Saga – Volume 1 omnibus is out for anyone wanting to jump onto the series

One Dumb Thing

  • Sony & Marvel & Spider-Man Internet Flame War

One Gratifying Thing

  • Inktober & NaNoWriMo – anything to spur creativity in a world with so much work
    • Join us on the discord where we and our community will be sharing our daily inktober art – and keep each other motivated (or accountable) to making art!

AbleGamers Charity  – Working to reduce social isolation for people with disabilities by providing accessible equipment free of charge and promoting accessibility within video games.

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:25 – Intro
00:03:27 – Tangents
00:53:17 – Main Topic: Games as a Service
01:16:59 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
01:24:46 – Missed Opportunities
01:27:15 – One Dumb Thing
01:30:05 – One Gratifying Thing(s)

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Destiny Main Theme
Outro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance

Episode 35: Dusting Off

Shawn and Jared return with Season 3 of Sines Co-Sines & Tangents. We finally discuss Avengers Endgame, and how to make the most out of Summer!

Episode 35: Dusting Off
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Shawn and Jared return with Season 3 of Sines Co-Sines & Tangents. We finally discuss Avengers Endgame, and how to make the most out of Summer!

Tangents:

  • Avengers Endgame
    • Thor
      • Joke?
    • Tony’s sacrifice is the one path
      • Inverse to Age of Ultron
    • Time Travel, who cares?
      • Bring up Back to the Future plot holes
    • Spider-Man End of Phase 3
  • Doom Eternal Hypu!
  • Baldur’s Gate 3
  • Destiny 2 going free to play
  • Swamp Thing done in one
  • Ghost Rider and Helstrom Marvel TV series coming to Hulu
  • Super Mario Maker 2
  • Cadence of Hyrule
  • Shawn and Rocket League… we have to talk.

Main Topic: What To Do On Summer Vacation

  • Read a book or three
  • Visit far away places
  • Go camping with your Switch
  • Play sports ball
  • Use the time, daylight and weather to try something new… basements are for winter (says Shawn. I find them cool and relaxing)
  • Host a party – throw a tournament! (We did!!)
  • Play a long RPG (with friends even)
  • Work longer hours to save up for all the E3 games you want
  • Organize Cut Down On The Clutter

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • The feedback is that we need to make episodes… so consider that received and rectified!

Missed Opportunities

  • Disney Infinity toys
  • Akira
  • Good Omens

One Dumb Thing

  • Delays

One Gratifying Thing

  • Games Done Quick coming soon

Podcast Chapters

00:02:13 – Intro
00:03:59 – Big Tangent: Avengers Endgame
00:52:05 – Little Tangents
01:11:35 – Main Topic: What To Do On Summer Vacation
01:25:28 – Fans Giving Of The Backfeeds
01:26:15 – Missed Opportunities
01:34:03 – One Dumb Thing
01:36:33 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Super Mario Sunshine – Delfino Plaza
Outro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance

Episode 34: Sorry To Burst Your Tangent

Shawn and Jared had a goal. To record a short episode. They failed. But they did watch Captain Marvel!

Episode 34: Sorry To Burst Your Tangent
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Housekeeping:

  • Audio Engineering Fixes

My Dad Works At Nintendo (Please help us come up with a better name)

  • Microsoft + Nintendo = <3
  • Scalebound Platinum Games
  • Resurrected Nintendo Cancellations… Metroid Dread?

Tangents:

  • Reggie is leaving Nintendo
  • Hollow Knight Sequel
  • Doom Patrol – Jared’s view
  • Darkest Dungeon 2 is coming, takes us to the Howling End
  • Fallout Pen & Paper RPG(s)
  • Google Project Stream announced in commercial form
  • Pokémon Sword & Shield
  • Diablo on GoG – first time Digital Win 10 with graphics upgrade
    • Apparently the original isn’t Win 10 compatible
  • Octopath Mobile Prequel & Console Sequel
  • Ape Out!
  • PS4 for iOS
  • Goodbye Arrow??? I mean.. It’s still on?
  • Captain Marvel
  • Nindie Presentations

Main Topic: No Main Topic

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • #1 Superfan Kyle agrees with Shawn? Big Surprise
  • The Boafet @_ChannelThree :It may be a late topic but what about Halo finally coming to PC and being available on steam.
  • @mcboat: (1) There are rumors about Sony possibly acquiring Take Two. What’s the likelihood of that happening? And how would that fair for the franchises, with future GTAs and Red Deads being Sony exclusives?
    (2) Also from the rumor mill: Google’s coming out with a…game console?!?!
  • @mcboat: And this: James Gunn Is Hired Back to Helm ‘Guardians of the Galaxy 3’

Missed Opportunities

  • Jared: The Ultimate RPG Character Backstory Guide
  • Shawn: REAMDE – by Neal Stephenson

One Dumb Thing(s)

  • Emo Spock and the Talosians oh.. Section 31
  • Federation SQL

One Gratifying Thing

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:02:30 – New Section That Needs A Name
00:07:48 – Tangents
00:53:12 – Still A Tangent: Captain Marvel
01:19:03 – Still Tangents: Nintendo
01:24:00 – Fans Giving Of The Backfeeds
01:30:08 – Missed Opportunities
01:35:55 – One Dumb Things
01:42:24 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Outro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance

Episode 33: Why Does Every Planet Look Like Vancouver?

We have a ton of tangents. Mario! Zelda! Tetris!! We also talk about the continuity power of canon and franchises, and how Shawn confuses people.

Episode 33: Why Does Every Planet Look Like Vancouver?
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Tangents:

Main Topic: The Power of the Franchise and Canon

  • Canon
    • Continuity
      • Does it matter?
      • Story over facts
      • Hard to manage
      • Constricting storytelling
    • Reboots / Reimaginings
      • Sometimes needed
      • Sometimes not
        • Stargate
    • The actual explanation for Star Trek: Discovery and how it’s now so messed up. (https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU)
    • Respecting the fanbase
      • Stargate
      • Star Wars
        • Revamped Canon
  • Franchises
    • Conventions
    • Merchandise

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • We’ve got a Voicemail Box: (267) TAN-GENT or (267) 826-4368
  • Aladdin Poll
  • Voicemail from Tacosteve
  • Four Voicemails from McBoat SuperFan #2
    • Post MCU Feel
    • The balance of historical truth and fan fiction
    • Inglourious Basterds

Missed Opportunities

  • Jared: Titanfall 2
  • Shawn: Tales of Berseria

One Dumb Thing(s)

  • Bubsy has a Kickstarter
  • Live Action Aladdin Trailer
    • Disney needs to stop making live action demakes.
    • Devoid of emotion and character

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:02:11 – Tangents
01:01:13 – Main Topic: Canon & Franchises
01:40:55 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
01:45:57 – Missed Opportunties
01:48:52 – One Dumb Thing(s)

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: The Theme from Stargate SG-1
Outro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance

Episode 32: The Age Of Sines

We have a ton of tangents, and we talk about historical games. Just setting, or is there more?

Episode 32: The Age Of Sines
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Housekeeping:

  • Live Streaming
    • We’ve done it before but more as a planned show.
    • Would you enjoy livestreaming on a regular basis? Or as supplement to podcast episodes?

Tangents:

Main Topic: Historical Games

  • Simulation vs. Setting
  • The lens of time – cultural evolutions in games
  • Alternate future vs. Embellished pasts
  • Time tropes
    • Dirigible flight (seriously. Wolfenstein, Command & Conquer)
  • Time settings
    • Overused times
    • Underused times
  • When the time frame matters and when it’s just dressing

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • We’ve got a Voicemail Box: (267) TAN-GENT or (267) 826-4368

Missed Opportunities

One Dumb Thing

One Gratifying Thing

  • Having bought games previously to play that end up filling the sparse release months…….

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:16 – Housekeeping
00:04:47 – Tangents
00:53:04 – Main Topic: Historical Games
01:19:52 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
01:25:56 – Missed Opportunities
01:27:51 – One Dumb Thing
01:32:38 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Age of Mythology
Outro Music : Thundercats Theme Song

Episode 31: Our Annual Episode for 2019

Shawn and Jared travel into the new year to bring you their earnings statement for the Sines Co-Sines & Tangents Stakeholders. Oh, and Spider-man.

Episode 31: Our Annual Episode for 2019
Sines, Co-Sines, & Tangents

 
 
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Housekeeping:

  • Remember our upload schedule in 2017?
  • Live show, we need to do one

Tangents:

  • Diablo Amiibo: The weirdest one ever!
  • Fallout 76 Discussion
    • Is it a success?
    • Emergent Story vs. Narrative
  • Red Dead Redemption 2: The Predemption
  • Nintendo Online mini-review – is it worth it?
    • Less issues with a good network. Overall: Meh
  • Buying Gifts for Your Friends & Family to recruit them into gaming
  • Ralph Wrecks The Internet Mini Review
    • Good message, bad execution, not as good as the original.
  • Spider-man Into the Spiderverse… it’s a hit.
  • Young Justice: Outsiders
  • Neither of us have Seen Aquaman, so shut up…

Main Topic: Endless Adventures

  • Why do certain games resonate?
  • What makes a game something you keep going back to?
  • Gameplay Loops, Wish Fulfillment and Reward Systems in Games
  • Emotional connections in games
  • Games without end – Evergreen Games
  • What are we owed for $60?
  • Counter: The argument for SHORTER games

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • Superfan Kyle “Called In”

Missed Opportunities

  • Shawn: Legacy Board games (Betrayal, Pandemic, etc.)
  • Jared: Miyazaki Films?

One Dumb Thing

  • Soulja Boy’s Rise and Fall

One Gratifying Thing

  • Games Done Quick

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:04:47 – Tangents
00:46:31 – Main Topic: Endless Adventures
01:14:49 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
01:18:50 – Missed Opportunities
01:24:12 – One Dumb Thing
01:26:34 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: ProZD – “war does not change, jerry
Outro Music : djsmell – “Gotta Main ‘Em All!” – SMASH BROS ULTIMATE SONG Ft. Swiblet (Parody of The Pokérap)

Episode 30: Transactional Mobility

Episode 30: Transactional Mobility
Sines, Co-Sines, & Tangents

 
 
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Tangents:

Main Topics: Mobile Games, Hype Management, & Tone-Deafness

  • Mobile games are a cash grab. They serve one purpose generating revenue.
    • Based on gambling tactics, gachapon , etc
    • Shawn: But Jared, Nintendo has made lot of “mobile games”
    • Jared: Yes, however they weren’t fueled by simple touch mechanics and micro-transactions.
      • Warioware is an example of really appropriate “mobile game”
  • Companies have moved marketing beyond showing value but rather hype
    • Vaporware, Early Access (Mention No Man’s Sky?)
  • Companies not listening to fans?

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

One Dumb Thing

  • Black Friday
    • Thanksbuying
    • Small Business Saturday
    • Cyber Monday
    • Thrifty Tuesday
    • Clearance Wednesday
    • Impulse Buy Thursday
    • Black Friday 2! The blackening!
    • Soldout Saturday
    • Layaway Sunday
    • And in December, last minute Giftcard-Eve!

One Gratifying Thing

  • Thanksgiving
    • Thanks Listeners!

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:23 – Tangents
00:47:32 – Main Topic
01:15:41 – Fans Giving Of The Backfeeds
01:17:53 – One Dumb Thing
01:22:52 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Pokemon – Gotta Buy Them All – Collegehumor
Outro Music : Pokemon – Gotta Buy Them All – Collegehumor

Episode 29: Rocktober

Jared and Shawn take a step back from the “ledge of seriousity” and goof around a bit this week, talking about some of the difficulties in getting people together to play games. Oh, and there are Tangents too…

Episode 29: Rocktober
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Tangents:

  • Dead Cells – Jared played it finally because it came to Switch
  • Spider-Man (PS4)
  • Mega Man 11 – True to form for better or worse.
  • Netflix Marvel Cancellations
    • Luke Cage & Iron Fist
  • Ric Grayson…… umm.. Sure (Blame KGBeast)
  • Rocket League cross-platform in 2019…
  • RPG eSports Party v Party competitive role-playing is a thing I guess.. https://rpgsports.tv/
  • Dark Souls Remuxified Switch now with Plastic Toys! Praise!

Main Topic: HOW TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER IN 2018

  • Why is it so difficult to get people to game with Jared?
  • Why is it so difficult to get people to try something new Jared likes?
  • Why buy multiplayer games if all your friends are “too busy” to play games with you anyway??? Geesh!!
  • No one can hang out for 8-10 hours playing board or tabletop games… other priorities like kids and family, band practice, being general flakes or whatever seem to take priority

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • Kyle
  • Boat
    • Captain Marvel trailer!
    • Sir Patrick Stewart reprising his role as Captain Jean-Luc Picard in yet another new Star Trek series.
    • Cross-platform play across the board is finally a reality, with Sony being the reluctant holdout. What’s the impact of this going forward?
    • Lastly, and something I’ve brought up before: The future of server-based games. Will anyone be able to play Overwatch in 20 years?
  • Shawn (@shawnobi)
    • A good argument for why cable is a worse option than several streaming services. With cable you are locked into that service. With either contract, equipment, or both. With streaming services, I can watch what I want then cancel at any time. No contract to mess with or box/satellite to return.I get HBO now for game of thrones, then unsub. I get SlingTV for basketball season, then unsub. There is not enough time for video games and all these shows, at the same time. So I don’t have to have every service all the time. It does require me remembering to cancel and all. But still better for me than cable. Also cable boxes all have bad UI.

Missed Opportunities

  • Jared: The Good Place
  • Shawn: Norsemen

One Dumb Thing

  • Missed commitments – if you can’t meet the deadline, don’t tell us you can.
    • Slipped release dates

One Gratifying Thing

Podcast Chapters

  • 00:00:00 – Intro
  • 00:02:18 – Tangents
  • 00:46:40 – Main Topic
  • 00:59:18 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
  • 01:12:37 – Missed Opportunties
  • 01:20:54 – One Dumb Thing
  • 01:22:09 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: ‘Cowabunga!’ [Technodrome] by WillRock & Sixto
Outro Music : Metal Gear Solid – Encounter
Cover Art:https://www.laughlin.af.mil/News/Art/igphoto/2000839026/

Episode 28: Coping With It All

Shawn and crew are back trying to make sense of it all.

Episode 28: Coping With It All
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Tangents:

  • Mega Man X Collection
  • Doom Eternal Thoughts and also Nintendo Switch
  • Cyberpunk 2077 gets first gameplay reveal – 43 minutes of it!
  • Windjammers 2?
  • Feeling good about no superhero films for a bit
  • Hollow Knight
    • Damn this is a good game.
  • Steaming Networks – Fan Targeted Shows
    • Star Trek – Picard is back
    • Star Wars – $100 Million Budget
    • DC – Titans (Fuck Batman) – mini-review
  • Will Shawn let Jared have Smash updates? (Sure.. why not.. I already gave in – Shawn)
    • Simon & Richter Belmont
    • Dark Samus
    • King K. Rool

Main Topic: Games as a Means of Processing Your Life

  • The Good Side:
    • Sometimes it’s okay to check out
    • Life is not controlled, doesn’t follow rules you can understand or predict
    • Not all stress is bad stress
    • Anonymity in social games – the therapeutic effect of a stranger
  • The Bad Side:
    • Games can be isolation
    • Escape can turn into avoidance
    • The Echo Effect
    • Not all social interaction is good interaction
  • Games and the depiction of mental health

One Gratifying Thing

  • Friends – Keeping to the theme

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:04 – Tangents
00:55:29 – Main Topic: Coping With It All

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Austin Wintory – Journey Soundtrack – Apotheosis
Outro Music : Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance

Episode 27: Hype Train Keeps a Rollin’

Shawn let’s Jared nerd out about Smash and his emotional attachment to it. Meanwhile we’re tangent a plenty with a ton of fun stuff.

Episode 27: Hype Train Keeps a Rollin’
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Tangents:

  • Wonder Woman 1984 – Cheetah and Steve Trevor
  • Zelda Encyclopedia
  • Amazon & Netflix Rescue Genre Shows – The Expanse & Lucifer
  • Jared’s CORGs haul
    Jared's CORGS Haul
  • Elder Scrolls Online: Summerset Impressions
  • Splatoon 2: Octo expansion
  • Darkest Dungeon: The Color of Madness Impressions
  • Jared’s Quick Reviews: Mario Tennis & Sushi Striker: The Way of Sushido

Main Topic: Smash Hypu!

  • Everyone is HERE!
  • Jared explains why Smash matters so much to him
  • Gamecube Controller re-re-released
  • What’s new? Not a port!
  • Ridley isn’t welcomed to Smash

Fans Giving of the Back Feeds

  • @shawnobi: Great episode. I had to skip a bit of the God of War stuff (spoilers). But I loved the thoughtful discussion about fathers. Sort of a sign video games as a medium and the people making them are growing up.

Missed Opportunities

  • Alpha Protocol
  • Metroid Prime Pinball

One Dumb Thing

  • Microsoft giving up on XBone

One Gratifying Thing

Podcast Chapters

00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:39 – Tangents
00:53:11 – Main Topic: Smash Hype!
01:18:14 – Fans Giving of the Back Feeds
01:19:36 – Missed Opportunities
01:24:05 – One Dumb Thing
01:30:39 – One Gratifying Thing

Credits:

Intro Music: Serious Monkey Business: 2-01 Roller Disco – ReMixer: Zylance
Main Topic Music: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Main Theme
Outro Music: Metal Gear Solid – Encounter